1 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:12,590 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:16,440 yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan 4 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:26,070 psycho well well well Richard it's great 5 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:28,410 to be back in the zone again today are 6 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:30,510 you Stefan I'm glad I've caught up with 7 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:32,820 you because you know it's a bit sad I 8 00:00:37,940 --> 00:00:35,190 hear that there's this asteroid coming 9 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:37,950 around and basically we're all toast are 10 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:39,809 a bit about that so hi this is our last 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:42,079 little get together before it's all over 12 00:00:46,340 --> 00:00:44,610 well not really because it's not going 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:46,350 to hit us for many many years and even 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:48,570 then it's not gonna hit us right it's 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:50,010 like a failure in years or something 16 00:00:56,569 --> 00:00:52,410 well this is interesting it there's a 17 00:00:58,819 --> 00:00:56,579 slim slim slim like potato chip with and 18 00:01:00,770 --> 00:00:58,829 slim chance that I an asteroid by the 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:00,780 name of Apophis will come and slam us 20 00:01:05,179 --> 00:01:02,730 all let's give it a couple of decades 21 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:05,189 give it a bit of a scare maybe yeah yeah 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:06,990 girl get the press talk yep fox news 23 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:08,490 talking about it for a while of course 24 00:01:14,899 --> 00:01:11,700 yeah luckily though we've got a friend 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:14,909 of ours dr. Steve Roberts yes skeptic 26 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:17,130 who was on the show a few weeks ago he 27 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:19,350 went on radio here in Australia in 28 00:01:24,530 --> 00:01:22,950 Adelaide to dispel our fears oh thank 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:24,540 goodness for that just for you had me 30 00:01:28,490 --> 00:01:27,090 going there for a while yeah it's all 31 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:28,500 rights different and I let's look at 32 00:01:33,410 --> 00:01:32,070 it's also zone number 123 123 on the 33 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,420 twenty-fifth of februari you know that's 34 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:36,240 almost 123 on the 45th of februari which 35 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:38,040 would be one two three four five but 36 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:39,540 it's not quite and that would have been 37 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:41,040 like some sort of numerology thing you 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:41,909 know it would have freaked me out even 39 00:01:47,569 --> 00:01:44,130 the 45th of febri doesn't come up very 40 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:47,579 on that about every freaky I can't 41 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:49,710 remember the last time there are 40 50 42 00:01:54,139 --> 00:01:52,470 febri so and besides all that water is 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:54,149 actually happening on this actual show 44 00:01:57,139 --> 00:01:55,890 well that Steve Roberts and his 45 00:01:58,670 --> 00:01:57,149 interview which is really interesting 46 00:02:01,850 --> 00:01:58,680 about this asteroids coming up a bit 47 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:01,860 later but before we get to that Maynard 48 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:03,840 we've let me not out of the his cage 49 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:06,000 like using loose they let him loose and 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:08,250 he chats to a very interesting bloke 51 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:09,610 very interesting 52 00:02:15,090 --> 00:02:11,410 by the name of Martin Plowman who has 53 00:02:18,150 --> 00:02:15,100 written extensively on UFOs and traveled 54 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:18,160 the world to find all the UFO hot spots 55 00:02:22,740 --> 00:02:20,680 Wow and what and he's actually well he's 56 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:22,750 written a PA he's got a PhD or something 57 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:26,290 about it he has a UFO PhD there's more 58 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:29,500 letters in that about whether they exist 59 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:31,090 or where they don't know is he's kind of 60 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:32,770 looking at the phenomenon us I think he 61 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:35,890 is I think he is he's because it is it's 62 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:38,050 an interesting you can't ignore it no 63 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,880 you can't something's happening out 64 00:02:45,050 --> 00:02:41,680 there whether everyone's mistaken or 65 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:45,060 there are millions of UFOs what do we 66 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:47,350 look at it yeah even if it's a 67 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:48,430 psychological thing you've got to 68 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:50,170 address it and say well what why what 69 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:51,610 people thinking like they're going on 70 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:53,739 why do they think like this and and and 71 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:55,570 why do they thing like this after so 72 00:02:59,010 --> 00:02:57,040 many so many decades that we've been 73 00:03:00,720 --> 00:02:59,020 hearing about it and still we haven't 74 00:03:02,910 --> 00:03:00,730 had that we all we've seen is it all 75 00:03:04,770 --> 00:03:02,920 happen in movies no aliens have actually 76 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:04,780 stepped out and gone on TV and said well 77 00:03:08,250 --> 00:03:06,670 we here I wish they would I wish they 78 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:08,260 would I wish they would turn out here 79 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:11,260 busting I hereby welcome our new alien 80 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:15,220 overlords please come and leave out 81 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:17,350 however if we can have some more items 82 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:20,170 oh hell yes like a better leader than we 83 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:22,450 have now if it would be good now what 84 00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:25,090 else is going on well you know um dr. 85 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:27,790 rachey just the other day she went and 86 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:30,489 she was a guest speaker at a very 87 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:32,290 interesting event here in city called 88 00:03:37,949 --> 00:03:36,100 the Battle of big thinking ah yeah I've 89 00:03:39,660 --> 00:03:37,959 actually got the fly here that's that's 90 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:39,670 pretty a pretty impressive a bit of a 91 00:03:46,140 --> 00:03:43,060 bit of a think fest it was a think fest 92 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:46,150 very well said I think fest lots of very 93 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:47,410 interesting people came along we're 94 00:03:51,210 --> 00:03:49,420 going to play a little clip of what 95 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:51,220 Rachel had the society talked as well 96 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:53,110 she spoke there she was not just 97 00:03:58,140 --> 00:03:55,060 thinking no no she talked she thought 98 00:04:00,120 --> 00:03:58,150 out loud goodness me she was her talk 99 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:00,130 went for 15 minutes I think she's going 100 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:02,769 to be using that it again but anyway 101 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:04,510 we've got a little snippet ah excellent 102 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:07,540 no I love those snippets love those 103 00:04:10,170 --> 00:04:08,590 things here you get all these great 104 00:04:12,569 --> 00:04:10,180 minds getting together and sort of 105 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:12,579 kicking around ideas the MC was Julian 106 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:14,890 morrow from lara chaser didn't we see 107 00:04:18,630 --> 00:04:16,870 him just a little while he was at em at 108 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:18,640 a very special event he was he was a 109 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:21,250 temp and after that i chat to another 110 00:04:24,689 --> 00:04:22,840 guest speaker there by the name of 111 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:24,699 rob campbell who gave a very interesting 112 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:28,030 talk about how important it is to get 113 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:30,820 lots of experience Oh think in lots of 114 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:32,910 different area oh you're gonna verify 115 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:35,860 diversifying what they call a polymath 116 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:38,680 poly to become a polymath yes and 117 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:40,330 because i saw a program about that on 118 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:42,160 Ted just recently this woman was saying 119 00:04:45,810 --> 00:04:43,660 the same thing she said she's an expert 120 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:45,820 but she really doesn't like the whole 121 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:47,500 idea of experts because they tend to 122 00:04:51,719 --> 00:04:49,750 become form silos of their own in 123 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:51,729 specialist fields they end up killing 124 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:53,770 themselves yeah all about the same thing 125 00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:54,850 and interesting she's actually looking 126 00:04:59,790 --> 00:04:57,280 for more diverse views in all sorts of 127 00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:59,800 areas well I mean in the skeptics which 128 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:01,360 we will speak about in this little 129 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:03,490 interview we look up to someone like 130 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:07,229 Benjamin Franklin example yeah also stop 131 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:09,430 and a lot of the stuff that's happening 132 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:11,250 now is it like those synergies between 133 00:05:16,379 --> 00:05:13,930 specialties so you get your biochemist 134 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:16,389 talking to like your material scientists 135 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:18,130 and stuff and working out whereas see 136 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:19,780 how they used to be stuck in asylum or 137 00:05:24,029 --> 00:05:22,330 they the engineers talk to you know 138 00:05:26,909 --> 00:05:24,039 mathematicians or stralla jizz or what 139 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:26,919 astrologist astronomers now that is the 140 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:29,200 percentage II diversify yeah well that 141 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:31,690 stuff it's it's exciting times now I'm 142 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:33,430 just going to mention a few things some 143 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:34,960 people have been writing to me oh boy 144 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:39,099 all I have no entry is packed it is it I 145 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:40,539 couldn't even fill it in the room I 146 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:42,070 don't think I'll you didn't you I i 147 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:44,289 found i think we embrace it two iphones 148 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:46,570 with memory form or the UL i'm getting 149 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:49,539 uh there's a project called thank hitch 150 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:51,430 ah this is for christopher hitchens 151 00:05:57,180 --> 00:05:54,849 whose am right i don't know i don't like 152 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:57,190 this term who's battling cancer and I 153 00:06:01,080 --> 00:05:59,050 mean he has it is experiencing is 154 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:01,090 experiencing yeah you do battle it I 155 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:02,710 didn't get through it all right he's 156 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:05,770 battling cancer easy look if you go to 157 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:12,250 ww mi skeptics so Miss skeptics or mi 158 00:06:19,469 --> 00:06:17,020 skeptics org slash thank hyphen hitch or 159 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:19,479 if you just Google thank hitch you can 160 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:21,130 find out more about that they're asking 161 00:06:24,659 --> 00:06:22,870 for people to send in little videos and 162 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:24,669 things well wishes and things I don't 163 00:06:29,129 --> 00:06:27,400 most yes or basically saying you know 164 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:29,139 Christopher Hitchens actually made a 165 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:31,180 difference in my life excellent you're 166 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:32,590 asked those prayers I gotta help much 167 00:06:35,390 --> 00:06:34,780 not much that but if you contribute so 168 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:35,400 papi 169 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:37,650 i perk him up a lot well and I think 170 00:06:42,499 --> 00:06:39,300 it's a good thing for other people to 171 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:42,509 see to now just this week I was a guest 172 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:44,460 on an interesting podcast called meet 173 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:47,400 the skeptics are you at I was meet the 174 00:06:55,999 --> 00:06:51,090 skeptics at HTTP colon slash slash meet 175 00:06:58,340 --> 00:06:56,009 the skeptics lip sin el I be sy n calm 176 00:07:00,890 --> 00:06:58,350 you can you get around Richard well 177 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:00,900 thanks to the Internet ah and also I'd 178 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:02,699 like to give a shout out to a lovely 179 00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:04,650 lady by the name of Kim Peters and her 180 00:07:11,659 --> 00:07:08,820 son Harry who came to visit dr. hu and I 181 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:11,669 last week now she's a listener from the 182 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:14,130 far west of New South Wales Wow and 183 00:07:18,529 --> 00:07:16,110 Harry comes in she brings in hairy a 184 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:18,539 couple of times a year for medical 185 00:07:23,180 --> 00:07:21,090 attention but she took time out to a 186 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:23,190 nice afternoon and had a lovely chat can 187 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:24,900 it was lovely to meet you thanks a lot 188 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:28,380 hello Kim hello Kim hello Harry finally 189 00:07:34,939 --> 00:07:30,840 finally how good friend Brian brushwood 190 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:34,949 from scam school dot TV his latest 191 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:37,440 episode is all about power balance 192 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,680 bracelets ah don't you love the 10 bands 193 00:07:48,379 --> 00:07:42,840 power band I've been body slammed lately 194 00:07:50,089 --> 00:07:48,389 heaven oh and it's just uh oh wow yeah 195 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:50,099 what a Charlotte's I think we should get 196 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:51,690 on with it scrappy that was probably the 197 00:07:54,980 --> 00:07:53,310 longest intro we've ever done I think it 198 00:08:08,250 --> 00:07:54,990 does let's cut it short right now look 199 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:12,630 years may not spooky action at a 200 00:08:22,159 --> 00:08:20,120 level 7 interstate 80 hello Anna it's 201 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:22,169 may not here I want to speak to that UFO 202 00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:25,560 goofball husband Martin Plowman room 6 203 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:29,160 okay no it's Maynard ah but I will be 204 00:08:36,110 --> 00:08:33,990 Priscilla if you want to hello it's been 205 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:36,120 a tentative award Martin Plowman in room 206 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:38,700 6 hi Martin Plowman you don't know his 207 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:41,039 partners name perhaps uh no I don't know 208 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:42,479 I'm no I don't think she's written a 209 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:44,730 book about UFOs so I probably shouldn't 210 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:48,750 be talking to her let me find out ok I 211 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:50,490 think we're dealing with a case of alien 212 00:08:59,060 --> 00:08:51,930 abduction here that's very interesting 213 00:09:00,440 --> 00:08:59,070 but hold on think they have the right to 214 00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:00,450 smash I'll put you through are you sure 215 00:09:08,889 --> 00:09:01,920 it isn't a case of alien abduction we 216 00:09:12,369 --> 00:09:10,989 oh wait up I was told that you didn't 217 00:09:13,869 --> 00:09:12,379 exist that never heard of you and this 218 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:13,879 conversation never happened I'll let 219 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:15,350 that happens all the folks of it I know 220 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:18,529 look at so put this Martin Plowman or if 221 00:09:22,299 --> 00:09:19,970 that is your real name that you're 222 00:09:23,769 --> 00:09:22,309 riding under is that a nom de plume look 223 00:09:25,569 --> 00:09:23,779 I must explain what's happening here 224 00:09:27,970 --> 00:09:25,579 your wife has just had a baby is that 225 00:09:30,009 --> 00:09:27,980 correct yes that is correct and you are 226 00:09:31,689 --> 00:09:30,019 there doing an interview next to her 227 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:31,699 when she's probably got better things 228 00:09:35,739 --> 00:09:33,889 she could be listening to oh not sure 229 00:09:37,150 --> 00:09:35,749 about our baby he's looking at us but 230 00:09:38,710 --> 00:09:37,160 he's either close so how's that work hit 231 00:09:40,749 --> 00:09:38,720 asleep look this might have been an 232 00:09:42,999 --> 00:09:40,759 alien abduction situation because you 233 00:09:44,530 --> 00:09:43,009 said ring the hospital I ring the 234 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:44,540 hospital they've never heard of you or 235 00:09:48,579 --> 00:09:45,829 your wife and they didn't even know who 236 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:48,589 I was experienced any missing time 237 00:09:51,999 --> 00:09:50,480 Martin ready that started happened it's 238 00:09:53,859 --> 00:09:52,009 usually about three in the morning where 239 00:09:55,210 --> 00:09:53,869 we have to change nappies that's when 240 00:09:56,739 --> 00:09:55,220 you think you've really been abducted 241 00:09:58,179 --> 00:09:56,749 yeah yeah what's a child's name what 242 00:10:01,079 --> 00:09:58,189 name you going with his name is 243 00:10:03,249 --> 00:10:01,089 Palmerston so named him after cheese 244 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:03,259 though in every after an island in the 245 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:05,240 South Pacific I'm talking to Martin 246 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:06,800 Plowman because he's the author of the 247 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:09,529 UFO Diaries travels in the weird world 248 00:10:13,689 --> 00:10:12,470 of high strangeness of UFO sightings now 249 00:10:15,939 --> 00:10:13,699 I haven't had time to read the whole 250 00:10:18,489 --> 00:10:15,949 book but I have had a good read about 251 00:10:21,429 --> 00:10:18,499 you talking about the ancient astronaut 252 00:10:23,590 --> 00:10:21,439 theory oh yeah where do you sit on the 253 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:23,600 whole thing just explain your journey 254 00:10:28,090 --> 00:10:25,850 and what you were thinking before you 255 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:28,100 started the whole journey and how you 256 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:30,740 became a believer or non-believer at the 257 00:10:35,079 --> 00:10:32,360 end of it this whole thing started as 258 00:10:36,819 --> 00:10:35,089 part of my my PhD I did a PhD in 259 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:36,829 cultural studies down here at Melbourne 260 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:39,110 Uni and I was running a history of 261 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:40,910 people's beliefs in UFOs and part of 262 00:10:45,189 --> 00:10:43,550 that research i felt that i really had 263 00:10:48,119 --> 00:10:45,199 to go to the places around the world 264 00:10:51,369 --> 00:10:48,129 where people think or claim or or 265 00:10:52,809 --> 00:10:51,379 utterly believes that UFOs have landed 266 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:52,819 it had some sort of impact and so all 267 00:10:57,730 --> 00:10:55,370 these places are ancient ceremonial and 268 00:11:00,910 --> 00:10:57,740 ruin sites like the pyramids in mexico 269 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:00,920 temples in / in peru in other places 270 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:02,839 like that the Nazca lines is another 271 00:11:06,129 --> 00:11:04,490 really famous place these lines from 272 00:11:08,019 --> 00:11:06,139 that clearly be seen from the sky now 273 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:08,029 that is so cool I'd like to get onto 274 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:09,860 about that led about your theories on 275 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:12,290 that but continue the story and I met 276 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:13,610 lots of people around the world who told 277 00:11:18,129 --> 00:11:15,980 me many very full on intense stories 278 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:18,139 that I think they believed completely I 279 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:20,600 don't know I'm an agnostic I tried to 280 00:11:23,930 --> 00:11:22,680 keep an impartial point of 281 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:23,940 because I was writing a history of it 282 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:26,190 I'm fascinated by the stories and I love 283 00:11:30,019 --> 00:11:28,350 hearing about about the way to try to 284 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:30,029 make sense of these encounters they have 285 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:32,040 all these anomalies in history if you 286 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:34,170 like it skeptics always say that the 287 00:11:40,010 --> 00:11:37,710 plural of anecdotes is not data and but 288 00:11:41,810 --> 00:11:40,020 but then again I would also say that 289 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:41,820 everybody seems to be experiencing 290 00:11:45,740 --> 00:11:43,200 something and there is a commonality 291 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:45,750 between them what does the commonality 292 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:47,100 you found between these people that has 293 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:48,750 experiences seeing and maybe even 294 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:51,060 meeting weird things i have to admit it 295 00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:52,830 as much as there's some continuity as 296 00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:55,380 some sort of common threads to the 297 00:12:00,949 --> 00:11:57,839 stories there's also heaps of quite 298 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:00,959 bizarre and and utterly singular and 299 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:02,850 unheard of things that people have 300 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:04,380 described ufos in all different shapes 301 00:12:09,170 --> 00:12:07,560 and forms ranging from beach balls to 302 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:09,180 doughnuts with the icing on top you know 303 00:12:12,620 --> 00:12:11,490 from everybody is it's that's that 304 00:12:14,810 --> 00:12:12,630 encounter with something they can't 305 00:12:16,579 --> 00:12:14,820 explain and that's a very human response 306 00:12:17,870 --> 00:12:16,589 to try to come to grips with that try to 307 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:17,880 work out what the hell just happened 308 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:19,560 that's amazing seeing that look in 309 00:12:22,310 --> 00:12:20,670 people's eyes when they're when they 310 00:12:24,050 --> 00:12:22,320 tell you that they're there are their 311 00:12:25,699 --> 00:12:24,060 stories their encounters well so these 312 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:25,709 obvious that they believe what they've 313 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:29,190 seen lately and so if it is say some 314 00:12:33,410 --> 00:12:31,260 psychological aberration that's 315 00:12:35,420 --> 00:12:33,420 happening the world over why would that 316 00:12:36,829 --> 00:12:35,430 be going on some skeptics will say and 317 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:36,839 maybe they've got a point i don't know i 318 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:38,850 try to keep away from making those sort 319 00:12:42,670 --> 00:12:40,980 of judgments but look one thing i think 320 00:12:44,690 --> 00:12:42,680 for sure is that UFOs have really really 321 00:12:46,070 --> 00:12:44,700 existed in the sense that we think of 322 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:46,080 them now as being things from outer 323 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:48,510 space since the late 1940s and that's 324 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:49,620 got a lot to do with the fact that 325 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:51,750 that's when our own technology had gone 326 00:12:55,010 --> 00:12:53,130 up to that place where we could actually 327 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:55,020 start looking outside of our own planet 328 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:56,970 and imagining what we'd do if we were 329 00:13:00,199 --> 00:12:58,770 elsewhere and i think this is a sort of 330 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:00,209 that imagination turned back on 331 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:01,529 ourselves what would they do if they 332 00:13:05,420 --> 00:13:03,000 came here so obviously you're 333 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:05,430 encountering particularly in Peru and in 334 00:13:09,319 --> 00:13:07,230 South America you would be encountering 335 00:13:11,510 --> 00:13:09,329 a lot of the ancient astronaut theories 336 00:13:14,390 --> 00:13:11,520 yet which that the what people refer to 337 00:13:15,769 --> 00:13:14,400 as gods were in fact well maybe beings 338 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:15,779 that were perhaps more technological 339 00:13:19,010 --> 00:13:17,370 developed the international theory is 340 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:19,020 that things like the pyramids of the 341 00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:20,730 Nazca lines that look like they could 342 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:22,560 have been built by people who did have 343 00:13:26,329 --> 00:13:24,630 technology like the wheel girly have 344 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:26,339 been done with the help of aliens that's 345 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:29,010 the theory I've been to these places and 346 00:13:32,990 --> 00:13:31,620 look at they are amazing they blow your 347 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,000 mind away especially the Nazca lines 348 00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:35,040 which are this huge collection of like 349 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:36,390 shapes like coming bird 350 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:38,460 and monkeys and huge long runways it 351 00:13:41,890 --> 00:13:40,050 does look like aircraft landing strips 352 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:41,900 I've also heard that those lines are 353 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:44,430 possible lines towards where water is 354 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:46,290 and things like that as what do you 355 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:48,420 think is the possible go for them I look 356 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:50,010 I don't know there's actually no one's 357 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:51,360 been able to explain them completely 358 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:53,370 like they're even the best mainstream 359 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,810 archaeological theories are still just 360 00:13:58,070 --> 00:13:56,880 guesses so whoever made them had a good 361 00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:58,080 reason I just don't know what it is 362 00:14:02,330 --> 00:14:00,540 nello what was the strangest place you 363 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:02,340 visited you've been around the world you 364 00:14:06,170 --> 00:14:04,140 visited some very strange places with 365 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:06,180 UFO activity I mean to use another world 366 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:08,940 what was the spookiest haha because 367 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:10,770 because that is a scientific word I mean 368 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:12,780 you know you do get spooked in these 369 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:14,520 places either and even if you're trying 370 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:16,740 to remain you know impartial it's 371 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:18,570 difficult you're absolutely right there 372 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:20,010 may not it even when you're not wanting 373 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:21,690 to believe you can still get freaked out 374 00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:24,030 some parts of Mexico Mexico has got one 375 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:26,820 of the biggest counts of UFOs in at the 376 00:14:29,930 --> 00:14:28,440 moment sort of if you had a UFO Geiger 377 00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:29,940 counter he brought in Mexico it got an 378 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:31,920 inning inning inning inning in like that 379 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:33,740 it's a very interesting country but in 380 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,240 oaxaca city in the south me and my 381 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:37,920 partner priscilla before we were 382 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:40,470 pregnant we met a couple down there who 383 00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:42,480 had had their own child and everything 384 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:44,430 but they claimed and they totally 385 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:46,020 believed this that they couldn't get 386 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:48,150 pregnant until one of them was abducted 387 00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:50,700 by aliens which they were very grateful 388 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:52,260 for and it look they were otherwise 389 00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:54,090 really normal friendly nice people and 390 00:14:57,860 --> 00:14:56,220 they just told this story like it was 391 00:15:00,530 --> 00:14:57,870 sort of things you talk about over 392 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:00,540 dinner table conversation at was spooky 393 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:02,430 that was freaky it's basically part of 394 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,950 their lifestyle yeah totally yeah for a 395 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:06,540 lot of people it changes their whole 396 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:07,980 life and funds for the better you know 397 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:09,180 some people get really scared and 398 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:10,890 freaked out like they'll spend years 399 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:12,690 trying to come to terms of what the 400 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:14,040 experience but for a lot of other people 401 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:16,590 it's it's quite a firming experience I 402 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,300 think I've noticed a way that UFOs are 403 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:21,060 looked at in South America would be a 404 00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:23,220 good example and do you think maybe here 405 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:25,260 in more in north america and in 406 00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:27,540 Australia and in parts of Europe we made 407 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:29,430 me need to get over this UFO block and 408 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,200 maybe look into what it is and if it 409 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:33,360 isn't something flying around the sky it 410 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:34,650 is something else that needs to be 411 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:36,090 looked at and not dismissed as people 412 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,650 going me be immediate I think that's a 413 00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:39,660 great idea you know I know the man to do 414 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:41,240 it I met a shamans is like a magic 415 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:44,310 magician in Mexico who was right into 416 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:46,110 that sort of stuff like he was bringing 417 00:15:50,329 --> 00:15:48,450 the UFOs into your life and and you'll 418 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:50,339 get over it maybe he could hold 419 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:52,050 is about this stuff it would be great 420 00:15:56,749 --> 00:15:54,089 and Shimon have always had the good 421 00:15:59,090 --> 00:15:56,759 stuff as well yeah did you have a chance 422 00:16:00,769 --> 00:15:59,100 to do any of the peyote or the 423 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:00,779 equivalent while they were there no I 424 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:02,490 had coffee with them it was it was nice 425 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:03,930 I have probably would be the best coffee 426 00:16:08,929 --> 00:16:06,990 the shame and have the best coffee and 427 00:16:11,329 --> 00:16:08,939 I'm not talking about the 9th early 90s 428 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:11,339 de bandied although there was a good 429 00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,649 song that's right yeah yeah Emily we 430 00:16:16,549 --> 00:16:15,120 could play it right now that I think 431 00:16:25,329 --> 00:16:16,559 we'll just have just a little bit of the 432 00:16:29,809 --> 00:16:27,739 that was a request from Martin Plowman 433 00:16:32,179 --> 00:16:29,819 or through the UFO Diaries there now 434 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:32,189 what music did you actually listen what 435 00:16:35,179 --> 00:16:33,689 did you listen on your iPod or something 436 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:35,189 when you at these places to get an 437 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:37,889 atmospheric mood going or was there 438 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:40,050 enough happening already I'd known I 439 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:42,660 turned the music of one place in Bolivia 440 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,360 into was this mount this isolated 441 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,040 mountain stuff that's got all these 442 00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:48,839 carvings on this is a sort of massive 443 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:50,759 stone dome on the top of the mountain 444 00:16:54,410 --> 00:16:52,439 that's got this year these strange 445 00:16:57,079 --> 00:16:54,420 carvings like the zigzag runways and 446 00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:57,089 concentric circles and up on top of that 447 00:17:00,860 --> 00:16:59,040 you had all these clouds rushing 448 00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:00,870 overhead and the rain forest all around 449 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:04,319 you you know it was so atmospheric even 450 00:17:08,059 --> 00:17:06,120 there's anything else that was something 451 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:08,069 else and getting back to trying to 452 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:10,230 remain impartial and seeing all these 453 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:11,850 amazing things that most of us don't get 454 00:17:17,059 --> 00:17:14,490 to see all around the world when people 455 00:17:18,679 --> 00:17:17,069 dismiss UFOs just out of hand straight 456 00:17:20,090 --> 00:17:18,689 away does that make you feel a bit like 457 00:17:21,769 --> 00:17:20,100 there are the missing out on something 458 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,779 or they're being closed-minded yeah it 459 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:23,760 does I don't want to defend your focus 460 00:17:28,159 --> 00:17:25,110 since I want to prove that they exist 461 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:28,169 and you know serve everybody wrong but 462 00:17:31,639 --> 00:17:29,970 but I think or the other hand just kind 463 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:31,649 of seeing that it's the whole idea of 464 00:17:35,419 --> 00:17:33,990 UFOs is below the level of interesting 465 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:35,429 study ought to be thought about I reckon 466 00:17:38,899 --> 00:17:36,899 that is very closed-minded because this 467 00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:38,909 is a list of subculture that's been 468 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:40,860 around for I don't know 60 70 years its 469 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:43,380 global it's always changing it you know 470 00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:45,090 things don't have to be real to have 471 00:17:48,529 --> 00:17:46,590 real impact in the world and I think 472 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:48,539 UFOs are a perfect example that you've 473 00:17:53,269 --> 00:17:50,460 gone around the world to the earth UFO 474 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:53,279 hot spots if any of us had to go to a 475 00:17:57,169 --> 00:17:55,230 place that was the easiest one is there 476 00:17:58,730 --> 00:17:57,179 a good one within Australia we could 477 00:18:00,680 --> 00:17:58,740 even go to locally or was there another 478 00:18:02,670 --> 00:18:00,690 one you'd recommend it's easy to get to 479 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:02,680 and well worth it oh look yes try 480 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:04,510 he's got a few but they did him to be in 481 00:18:09,390 --> 00:18:07,090 the outback I know in about a month in 482 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:09,400 the territory there's a big UFO festival 483 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:12,250 and wycliff wells which is a Roadhouse 484 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:14,470 caravan park in the desert I think that 485 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:16,450 has a lot of UFO sightings I think the 486 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:18,280 Blue Mountains has had a reputation also 487 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:20,890 for having all UFOs it shifts though you 488 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:22,660 may know that so it's not always what 489 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:24,070 was big in the seventies isn't big now 490 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:25,780 well what about internationally is the 491 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:27,880 place we could guarantee to go for a bit 492 00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:29,830 of a high strangeness because you know I 493 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:31,840 like a bit of high strange that's 494 00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:34,450 particularly on a Saturday night what is 495 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,520 the International place you could go to 496 00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:38,320 and geeking out and you really suck on 497 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:40,300 the strangeness pipe Roswell in New 498 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:42,310 Mexico where your phone it to crash to 499 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:44,950 947 that's strange now isn't that still 500 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:46,690 a bit cliche I thought they were moved 501 00:18:50,550 --> 00:18:48,790 on there yeah look it is in a way but it 502 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:50,560 is a bit cliched but it's also kind of 503 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:53,500 fun elispot would be a wheelchair in the 504 00:18:57,330 --> 00:18:55,420 United Kingdom that's where all the crop 505 00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,340 circles are seen as a pub in the middle 506 00:19:01,320 --> 00:18:59,200 of the country out there called the 507 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:01,330 barge in and that's the unofficial hang 508 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:03,910 on a minute it's called the barge in 509 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,980 that's right there's a canal right 510 00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:07,600 behind it where the barges pull up hence 511 00:19:12,270 --> 00:19:09,550 the note of course there are the English 512 00:19:13,890 --> 00:19:12,280 that's a spooky place that great stuff 513 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:13,900 to Martin slamming you've had the 514 00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:15,730 experience with the UFOs how do you now 515 00:19:20,370 --> 00:19:18,640 sit with other paranormal how do you sit 516 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:20,380 with people that allege they've seen 517 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,300 ghosts how do you sit with people that 518 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:24,880 claim psychic abilities I mean are you 519 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:28,720 now much more believer in astrology oh I 520 00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:30,220 like tarot cards though they're kind of 521 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,780 fun up particular when you get the 522 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:33,760 upside down death cash yeah you don't 523 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:35,860 know what to think yeah you can say is 524 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:37,090 all it's gonna be great change in your 525 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:38,560 life then that's very you can mystically 526 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:40,870 yes so does that mean you are now more 527 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:42,850 accepting of all general things that are 528 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:45,310 outside no I'm still pretty agnostic you 529 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:46,570 know in the sense that I think the 530 00:19:49,530 --> 00:19:47,770 stories are interesting and I like 531 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:49,540 hearing about them but I don't think I'm 532 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:51,160 accepting in the sense that oh yeah 533 00:19:55,860 --> 00:19:53,290 signed me up for a chakra realignment 534 00:19:58,050 --> 00:19:55,870 camp in through town or something else 535 00:20:00,270 --> 00:19:58,060 that could be fun but I'm not right now 536 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:00,280 though is your wife at this or your your 537 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:01,930 new baby in fact at this moment wearing 538 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:04,780 a tinfoil hat uh yeah they gave it one 539 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:06,850 birth actually that's what he doesn't 540 00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:08,470 like it though that's a progressive 541 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:10,660 hospital rachie Martin you weren't 542 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:13,000 tempted to make the middle name of your 543 00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:14,650 child anything to do with your travels 544 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:15,620 for you 545 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:18,700 oh come on peyote is a great middle name 546 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:20,990 but what is the one thought you'd like 547 00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:23,210 to leave us with with the UFO Diaries 548 00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:24,590 like I said you've been around the world 549 00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:26,120 do all these hot spots of strangeness 550 00:20:29,530 --> 00:20:28,220 what's the message one should take away 551 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:29,540 from your book after reading it and 552 00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:31,640 having your mind kind of blown prepared 553 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,500 of your mind blown things that unreal 554 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:36,080 doesn't mean that they are amazing and 555 00:20:39,370 --> 00:20:37,880 they don't need to be listened to that's 556 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:39,380 what I want people to think about yeah 557 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:41,150 that makes sense nothing else you want 558 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:42,290 to add at the end of the interview then 559 00:20:45,820 --> 00:20:44,210 I I just want to say on behalf of 560 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:45,830 everybody here at the role Melbourne 561 00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:47,990 Hospital hello and thank you to all 562 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:50,390 those stuff is hot for transferring a 563 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:52,730 call through look I'm glad Martin that 564 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:54,530 you are real and I'm glad you have been 565 00:20:58,270 --> 00:20:56,330 abducted and not a figment of my 566 00:20:59,770 --> 00:20:58,280 imagination no we can test that maybe 567 00:21:11,440 --> 00:20:59,780 some other templates let's go without 568 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:14,389 dr. Richard Wiseman talks about his new 569 00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:19,919 book paranormal a--they paranormal t is 570 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:22,500 all about what paranormal experiences 571 00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:25,110 tell us about your brain your beliefs 572 00:21:30,499 --> 00:21:27,929 and your everyday behavior why it is 573 00:21:32,509 --> 00:21:30,509 that some people see ghosts how psychics 574 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:32,519 appeared to know all about you and how 575 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:35,370 brainwashing works once you understand 576 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:37,080 the psychology behind these amazing 577 00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:38,750 phenomenon you can create them yourself 578 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:41,700 and so the book explains for example how 579 00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,769 to have an outer body experience how to 580 00:21:49,129 --> 00:21:46,080 control your dreams and how to unleash 581 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,139 the power of your unconscious mind it's 582 00:21:53,419 --> 00:21:51,360 fun to be fooled but it's even more fun 583 00:21:55,639 --> 00:21:53,429 to go backstage and discover the real 584 00:21:59,299 --> 00:21:55,649 science behind the paranormal and that's 585 00:22:04,389 --> 00:21:59,309 what paranor mallet E is all about for 586 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:04,399 more information visit www are a normal 587 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,580 80.com to russian astronomers and the 588 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:16,320 big apocalypse that could happen in 589 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:21,600 april 1320 36 mmm you offered here these 590 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,940 doors I remember the day that back in 591 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:25,080 what I personally remember but I 592 00:22:31,009 --> 00:22:28,940 researched the day in 1976 when the 593 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:31,019 clairvoyant said that a massive tidal 594 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:32,600 wave was going to wipe out the entire 595 00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:35,370 adelaide coastline and don dunstan stood 596 00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:37,230 on the end of the jetty under there was 597 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:38,279 happening happen eleven o'clock in the 598 00:22:41,539 --> 00:22:39,240 morning or something and he went 599 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,549 denti-cal jetty and nothing but nothing 600 00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:43,200 happened we hear about these stories all 601 00:22:48,379 --> 00:22:46,919 the time and we're still here today to 602 00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:48,389 keep hearing more stories coming through 603 00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:50,070 if you know what I mean so quite often 604 00:22:53,509 --> 00:22:51,990 that I [\h__\h] tribute we've got dr. Stephen 605 00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:53,519 Roberts on the line from the Australian 606 00:22:57,259 --> 00:22:55,230 skeptics to give his side of the story 607 00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:57,269 as well dr. Roberts thanks for your time 608 00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:00,419 hello Daniel yeah thanks mate and tell 609 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:01,620 us about this I mean we just come from 610 00:23:06,769 --> 00:23:04,169 russian astronomers suggesting that an 611 00:23:08,509 --> 00:23:06,779 asteroid could come and hit the earth in 612 00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,519 twenty thirty six and completely what 613 00:23:12,139 --> 00:23:10,320 the planet out I mean where do they come 614 00:23:13,639 --> 00:23:12,149 up with this sort of evidence was one 615 00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:13,649 Russian us probably just seeing the 616 00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:15,779 limelight and there is an e miss of an 617 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,820 asteroid I can tell you chapter and 618 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:19,440 verse on this is kind of it's called 619 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:19,980 mass 620 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,030 Apophis apo pH is yeah and obviously 621 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,679 scientists track the orbits of asteroids 622 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,200 all the time some sunk go quite near the 623 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:30,960 earth the orbiter main loop around and 624 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:33,150 they cost you this orbit some of them 625 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:35,549 sometimes and if you have happens to be 626 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:37,110 at that point it is all bit there'll be 627 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:39,809 a near miss of the asteroid and this 628 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:42,630 will happen next year in fact ok and 629 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,790 I'll again in 20 29 and again in twenty 630 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,799 thirty six and between 2009 well as a 631 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:49,140 particularly in dms nexia is not a big 632 00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,970 deal but of course it makes you 2012 633 00:23:56,419 --> 00:23:52,679 movies in a panic about into the world 634 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,429 anyway but in 20 29 if yes or it happens 635 00:24:00,850 --> 00:23:58,799 to pass through a particular window in 636 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:00,860 space a particular key hole in space 637 00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:03,240 then when it comes back in twenty thirty 638 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:06,390 six it will collide with the earth now 639 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:08,730 the asuras already know this have now 640 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:10,290 obviously watching out and when we 641 00:24:14,659 --> 00:24:13,110 reserve it next year 2012 will get an 642 00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:14,669 active it always and we can be put it 643 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:16,020 when it'll go through that key on this 644 00:24:22,340 --> 00:24:19,320 base or not in 20 29 and then we have 17 645 00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,350 years to divert it if it will go through 646 00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:24,960 so many years is plenty of time in fact 647 00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:27,630 the circumstances so we can be sure it 648 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:29,100 won't go through that key on it with a 649 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:30,809 liner therefore be sure it won't collide 650 00:24:35,289 --> 00:24:32,970 with the earth and 2036 so what are the 651 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:35,299 risks in 2012 like what absolutely 652 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,070 though i come it'll go near the earth 653 00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:39,840 but lots of things go near the earth all 654 00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:42,419 the time and moby notices some most 655 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:45,320 these asteroids that are near misses i 656 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:47,880 detected on their way out you know when 657 00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:49,650 will you see how soy de need compute the 658 00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:52,140 orbit we think the last week that would 659 00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:53,790 have gone really close you know but we 660 00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,860 didn't know it we can't you come from 661 00:25:00,860 --> 00:24:57,720 the Sun you can't see them you come from 662 00:25:02,539 --> 00:25:00,870 that direction so if we did nothing with 663 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:02,549 our PO fist in the chances about one of 664 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:03,990 the quarter of a million they'll hit us 665 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:06,809 in twenty thirty six or Gorgonia off to 666 00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,610 do some damage but that's if we do 667 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,559 nothing and we versus knew nothing we 668 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:13,260 can do something so so how big is this 669 00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,809 though I mean the one in 250 million or 670 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:17,460 whatever it is if that just happens to 671 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,350 happen I mean how big is this Esther 672 00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:21,059 autumn how much damage could it do what 673 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:22,470 it do what wouldn't a breakup and 674 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,570 disintegrate before it hits us uh we're 675 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,400 doing an enormous amount of damage if it 676 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:28,260 were a hit oh it's my it's important to 677 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:30,809 avoid it um I forget how big it could be 678 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:32,250 five or ten can orders but you look at 679 00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:32,610 you know 680 00:25:37,910 --> 00:25:34,620 major to deleted earthquakes all over 681 00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:37,920 the place and um the fella heating up 682 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:39,990 you know by teams of degrees very 683 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:41,790 suddenly and then cooling down again it 684 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:45,150 would do a huge amount of damage even if 685 00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:47,040 he misses and passes very close there 686 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:49,980 could be minor damage so from toys 687 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,130 raised or whatever lonely happen once 688 00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:54,000 these things must have happened in the 689 00:25:59,030 --> 00:25:57,240 past and everything's survived but some 690 00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,040 are maybe this at the end of the world 691 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,520 and 2036 who knows does it link with 692 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:05,700 anything more than just to do with the 693 00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,110 asteroid I mean to do these astronomers 694 00:26:13,159 --> 00:26:09,900 come up with the you know 20 30 got some 695 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:13,169 sort of significance just a number any 696 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,809 reason why they picked that day so 697 00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:18,000 that's the reason well the asteroids a 698 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,710 piece of what was around a space where a 699 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:21,840 piece of what was around in space and 700 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:23,900 then the orbits are both stable and 701 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:26,940 highly predictable you know the control 702 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,770 by gravity of the Sun the planets and so 703 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:31,500 on and they're all really very easy to 704 00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,510 calculate and you can see when the windy 705 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,600 mrs. Whitaker it advanced using modern 706 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,880 enough computing machinery that's just 707 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,860 today that there happens to be amazing 708 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:43,020 of it you were saying before that we get 709 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:44,820 number of asteroids flying past the 710 00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:47,370 world very you know more often than we 711 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,190 know I mean how how often do a stand how 712 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:52,140 close do they go how often does an 713 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,630 asteroid fly past oh well given how you 714 00:27:00,560 --> 00:26:56,340 define past if it comes within the orbit 715 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,570 of the moon say ya got me the less than 716 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:03,120 once every 10 years but um if you're the 717 00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:04,770 sort of five times your bit of the moon 718 00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:06,270 I'm getting the figures here that might 719 00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:08,309 be every year or so or every couple of 720 00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:10,590 years right when to the next one will 721 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:12,990 likely would be able to see while they 722 00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:15,260 come all the time as I say and the 723 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:17,790 detected after the event and this is but 724 00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:19,410 it's more like comets the other comments 725 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,299 come at random and yeah so I'd be in 726 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:22,799 summer small and somebody can see and 727 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:24,150 some you can't depends where they go 728 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:26,910 listen to the Sun but some I don't know 729 00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,250 if we were to see this one next year it 730 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:31,020 will be quite interesting if we can yeah 731 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:33,150 but you're such a bit of seeing the 732 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:36,270 telescope and so the local Swami society 733 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:38,570 which will be putting on public viewings 734 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:40,710 so the public can go along on piers 735 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:43,770 orders go at it well I remember 1996 our 736 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:45,400 account was i was up at alice spring 737 00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:47,680 a holiday I was 12 years old and I stood 738 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:49,150 there for hours and hours about the big 739 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:50,530 telescope binoculars that look for 740 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,300 Halley's Comet and it came and went in 741 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:55,120 about three seconds oh no is there all 742 00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,340 the time you saw a stone today as we 743 00:28:02,970 --> 00:27:58,980 second he was hanging of the sky right 744 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:02,980 yeah I think yeah i took a poly view of 745 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:04,750 how use common in the park in melbourne 746 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:07,030 and them we had like a hundred thousand 747 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:09,070 people shut up which is the 10 748 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:11,170 telescopes Lee descended like a Mongol 749 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:14,350 all my delicate but there was no no she 750 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:17,050 couldn't mostly get a squid out it's 751 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:19,090 only a sort of Haley starve is good to 752 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,040 have seen it and my daughter was too at 753 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,200 the time I got hurt us see so that when 754 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,840 she's 86 you were to see it again right 755 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:27,760 so my poor grandmother saw it twice he's 756 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:30,220 cocked it now but she sought in 1910 it 757 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:33,940 again 186 goodness me like I'm gonna 512 758 00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,500 to see that long twice does probably 759 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:38,080 unlikely got a text 31 on our text 760 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:40,650 number one triple 9 30 95 from a 761 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,630 listener and what what is an asteroid 762 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:46,240 he's asteroid between the orbit of Mars 763 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:48,910 and Jupiter hmm there's a planet misiek 764 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:50,980 there and there's a collection of small 765 00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:53,560 rocks orbiting the Sun each small biz 766 00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,000 like a planet and there's thousands and 767 00:29:00,600 --> 00:28:58,000 thousands of them and they're between us 768 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,610 or one centimeters of thinking orders in 769 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:03,580 size a couple of whoppers a size of the 770 00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,490 Earth Moon and they're basically either 771 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:08,830 the debated your planet that was there 772 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,530 and voc up or more likely a plan that 773 00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:13,330 just fail to stick together you know the 774 00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,620 rocks are there and all the other 775 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:16,240 parents stuck together in time this one 776 00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:18,190 just didn't stick pulley stood up by the 777 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:20,590 gravity of Jupiter so they just built as 778 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:22,870 toys and of course they swing each other 779 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:25,150 round by gravity at random and now then 780 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:26,530 someone get out of the belt and come 781 00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:29,730 flying towards us or any other direction 782 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,960 right from nellis also comes a lot of 783 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:33,520 people listening as called through know 784 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:36,190 what would happen if an asteroid decides 785 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:38,890 we're talking about the Apophis or 786 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:40,930 whatever it's that all what he hit the 787 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:42,970 moon be in the movie be quite 788 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,220 spectacular um you'll be to see it you 789 00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:47,200 see us are mighty splash of rock from 790 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:49,390 the moon right and then in some days 791 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:52,480 there be more dust on the earth for some 792 00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:54,070 years afterwards to be beautiful red 793 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:56,470 sunsets as the dust sort of came to the 794 00:30:00,420 --> 00:29:59,170 US by gravity and settled 795 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:00,430 settle back on the moon you see craters 796 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:02,170 on the moon will have been mighty watts 797 00:30:05,670 --> 00:30:04,150 of asteroids in the past yeah but 798 00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:05,680 they're all times are like three billion 799 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:07,660 years ago and there's been quiet since 800 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:10,090 then but there was a voice on recorder 801 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:12,690 late and early in a late bombardment 802 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:15,190 which it wouldn't have been good to be 803 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:18,130 around to see immediately objects 804 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:19,150 colliding with the moon and the earth 805 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:21,910 but those only know three billion years 806 00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:24,310 ago and not familiar any fun would hit 807 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:25,720 the moon you there be able some dust 808 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:27,490 would fall to the earth and that lead to 809 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:30,970 fear severely with them the amount of 810 00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:32,410 sunlight reaching the surfaced you know 811 00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:34,540 we get beautiful red skies yeah and not 812 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:36,340 much sunlight we get a bit darker the 813 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:39,090 bit colder and the bit achey Olivie 814 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:41,500 climate changes of scale like you can't 815 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:45,910 imagine then it's the same as if one hit 816 00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:46,990 the earth directly the same something 817 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:48,280 will happen all the earthing to be dust 818 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:51,190 on the earth on a bigger scale gem done 819 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:53,890 we don't all die of some kind of climate 820 00:30:58,890 --> 00:30:55,510 change effect of the earth heating up 821 00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:58,900 from the asteroid building up himself or 822 00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:00,820 from lack of sunlight over 10 years 823 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:03,180 scale or whatever I was just saying to 824 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:05,710 look at a report on this and an S or 825 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:07,000 estimates the energy from this 826 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:08,320 particular asteroid if it did actually 827 00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:10,110 hit the earth would be like several 828 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:12,400 several nuclear bombs hundreds of 829 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,770 nuclear bombs together once so keep 830 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:16,720 going a hundred is nothing those are 831 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:20,110 like millions of baton bombs are totally 832 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:22,660 pathetic compared to volcanic eruptions 833 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:24,040 or the like that's the stuff of the 834 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,990 earth and the thing is mandy who work 835 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:27,760 the mast out you know work am a thousand 836 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:31,270 done did you get a very big bank i'm 837 00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:33,160 told the doctors dr. stephen roberts 838 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:35,740 from the australian skeptics in regards 839 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:37,720 to maybe the thread of a asteroid 840 00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:39,160 hitting the earth when x 25 years you 841 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:41,790 mentioned climate change a little bit 842 00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:44,800 dr. Roberts in regards to this your 843 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,350 general thought about climate change is 844 00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:49,120 called it will you yeah if your sales 845 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:50,380 kept these are not climate change 846 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:53,020 skeptics there's people going around to 847 00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:55,090 a poo pulling the idea that climate 848 00:31:59,610 --> 00:31:57,340 change is happening or maybe it's a 849 00:32:01,950 --> 00:31:59,620 conspiracy or the big oil companies 850 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:01,960 behind it or scientists peeping or 851 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:04,840 whatever the people who people that are 852 00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:06,790 called climate change skeptics but they 853 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:09,160 were t cynics now that's cavities have 854 00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:10,900 open minds and we just go with the 855 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:11,740 evidence of you 856 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:14,470 disease that there is some warming as 857 00:32:19,049 --> 00:32:16,150 some climate change occurring of the 858 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:19,059 evidence shows that the various partly 859 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:22,870 anthropogenic now for me actually stops 860 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:24,370 there I mean we would have it matters or 861 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:26,440 not i'm not sure if it matters all our 862 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:28,690 tour over what timescale the effects 863 00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:31,030 will occur yes a very small defective 864 00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:33,429 every long time ago should get that 865 00:32:36,299 --> 00:32:34,929 sorting into context it's not like we 866 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:36,309 can ever sort of five degrees centigrade 867 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:40,030 vies in one year or the to do me or 868 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:41,830 something gradual it just get it will 869 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:43,690 get a bit hotter finally gets one degree 870 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:46,420 hotter we all have shuffled off the 871 00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:48,330 mortal coil so do you attribute like 872 00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:51,550 cyclone yasi the floods the humidity 873 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:53,500 that were experiencing all over the 874 00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:55,150 place at the moment i mean is that 875 00:32:59,760 --> 00:32:56,980 something you'd a tribute to climate 876 00:33:02,370 --> 00:32:59,770 change ah that'll be i'm coming to a 877 00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:02,380 conclusion that the cyclone will still 878 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:03,820 be the fuzz were severe those things 879 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:06,550 have happened before not within living 880 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:07,960 memory but with you recorded maybe 881 00:33:11,549 --> 00:33:09,250 they've been worse floods and worst 882 00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:11,559 cyclones yeah not worse damage caused 883 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:13,150 because we built cities and things in 884 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:15,340 the way of these things now but some you 885 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:16,750 know the funds have been worked in the 886 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:18,130 past so you can't say this is a 887 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:20,200 harbinger of doom it's just a thing that 888 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:22,450 happens at random and maybe it'll happen 889 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:25,390 more often because of climate change we 890 00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:27,070 don't we don't even know that yet you 891 00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:29,020 know the fact is very much on beyond the 892 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:31,990 age of what we can measure mmm very 893 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:34,090 interesting right well one thing we do 894 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:35,650 know is what and what we don't want is 895 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:37,720 this asteroid hit earth so but you've 896 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:40,450 allied some of my fees the 2012 one no 897 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:44,530 risk at all 2029 slim risk and even even 898 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:48,460 slimmer for 2036 noe that ax 2012 we 899 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:50,200 observe it and we can divert see if 900 00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:53,050 necessary in 20 29 and we're certain to 901 00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:54,580 be some twins realized there by 902 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,990 certainly be some twenty or thirty six 903 00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:58,480 and these are vertige as quickly you you 904 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:00,520 follow a spacecraft out here spacecraft 905 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:04,000 simply collides with it all sort of 906 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:05,920 theories about slicing the laser beams 907 00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:08,020 or landing at some bombs on it in 908 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,879 defeating them that would be a very very 909 00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,399 bad move actually the best way is you 910 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:14,280 just a whack it with something heavy the 911 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:16,929 kb st who finds these spacecraft itself 912 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:19,750 just bang into it with a spacecraft and 913 00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:21,310 it will move your butt very very 914 00:34:25,169 --> 00:34:23,350 slightly with over 17 years that'll be 915 00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:25,179 quite a lot has to be a messy 916 00:34:28,799 --> 00:34:26,740 spacecraft I wouldn't well they're 917 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:28,809 heavier the better and you're going to 918 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:30,280 get a certain weight and a couple of 919 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:32,050 songs or sony or couple of hundred sons 920 00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:34,569 yeah it can be done we've done it with 921 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:37,240 commerce already um but it's like you a 922 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,770 bit like the steering at a car you know 923 00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:41,200 if you just front wheels a tenth of a 924 00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:42,849 millimeter out and the drive to Alice 925 00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:45,700 Springs you'll find you being an amount 926 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:48,190 I so instead yeah that's right exactly 927 00:34:51,299 --> 00:34:50,169 you just tuning off its axis and it just 928 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:51,309 goes and completely different what the 929 00:34:55,649 --> 00:34:53,559 original driver to buy a tiny tiny 930 00:34:57,089 --> 00:34:55,659 amount then you wait 17 years you find 931 00:34:59,010 --> 00:34:57,099 it's going to missed by a long one 932 00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:59,020 thousands of miles off that along way so 933 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:01,000 yes there's no to worry at all it's all 934 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:02,410 in hand but he's actually all due to 935 00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:04,270 science and money being spent of 936 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,069 astronomy the last thing this morning 937 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359 the first time it has all been useful 938 00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:09,280 you know we've had those standing on the 939 00:35:12,059 --> 00:35:10,540 moving there's been a bit of a hoot but 940 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:12,069 you know how much uses that really am 941 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:14,470 and there's a lot of stuff in space and 942 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:17,020 military stuff but um yeah this is 943 00:35:21,059 --> 00:35:18,970 actually suddenly becomes necessary and 944 00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:21,069 useful to attract asteroid yeah 945 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:23,500 absolutely well exactly right well we 946 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:24,790 should look after ourselves that's the 947 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:26,530 main thing we'll all in all the upshot 948 00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,020 is very very slim would you say one in 949 00:35:33,569 --> 00:35:31,359 250 million chance of a happening one in 950 00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:33,579 50,000 if we do nothing but we are going 951 00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,380 to do nothing and then if we do 952 00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,220 something it will be 1 in 259 00 953 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:40,960 brilliant i dr. Roberts think so that 954 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:41,950 thanks for joining on the program 955 00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:44,140 afternoon and I thoroughly enjoyed that 956 00:35:48,059 --> 00:35:46,809 chat and yes it's it's always something 957 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:48,069 good to keep abreast I've no doubt about 958 00:35:53,339 --> 00:35:51,160 it yeah appreciate that there we go dr. 959 00:35:56,299 --> 00:35:53,349 Stephen Roberts from the Australian 960 00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:56,309 skeptics talking about the so-called 961 00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,500 apocalypse that was slated to happen in 962 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:02,170 20-30 so well in fact summer suggested 963 00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:05,250 next year but as dr. Robert spawned out 964 00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:09,700 you can observe it hopefully if there's 965 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:12,760 any danger in 17 years after that we've 966 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,970 got 17 years to to actually do something 967 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:17,440 about it and fire something into 968 00:36:36,359 --> 00:36:19,690 completely die verted sup misses us 969 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:36,369 in twenty thirty six hey I'm on it oh 970 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:38,410 yeah Kristen or even tipsy dice on lush 971 00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,700 glitter of the skeptic zone I'm 972 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:42,160 skeptical in la liga the VINs not a blog 973 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:44,260 gear or pub def a podcast of reading and 974 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,150 skip system is leaked on this door open 975 00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:48,160 ah central data skips a stuffed animal 976 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:49,660 or hyper besides the dips corner 977 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:51,790 Chiclets and calendar / activator or 978 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:53,470 link eternity research it escapes this 979 00:36:56,309 --> 00:36:54,730 blogging opportunity I'm layer or the 980 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:56,319 discrete areas hefty performance so 981 00:37:11,609 --> 00:36:57,730 stick kingdom of Delta do awesome 982 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:11,619 escapes his thoughts hello circus the 983 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,470 festival of commercial creativity we're 984 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:17,440 here in Sydney Australia I'm here with 985 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:20,230 dr. Rachel Dunlop who is just enjoying 986 00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:22,150 her coffee before her big day where 987 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:23,619 you're giving a talk today at this 988 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:26,710 meeting Rachel I am Richard I'm giving a 989 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:29,260 talk as part of the Battle of big 990 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:32,710 thinking which is 15 great speakers in 991 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:35,140 five categories not quite sure what I'm 992 00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:39,369 included in that um but it's a basically 993 00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:43,599 their categories include things like the 994 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:45,339 categories include things like our best 995 00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:47,050 biggest thinkers in advertising and 996 00:37:52,319 --> 00:37:49,240 marketing in government social in media 997 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:52,329 and business and storytelling and what 998 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:54,460 is your topic today dr. hu well I'm 999 00:37:58,589 --> 00:37:56,710 going to be talking about accessing 1000 00:37:59,549 --> 00:37:58,599 accurate health information on the 1001 00:38:02,209 --> 00:37:59,559 Internet 1002 00:38:04,769 --> 00:38:02,219 so I'm using an example of 1003 00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:04,779 anti-vaccination information and I've 1004 00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:06,339 done some digging up up and some 1005 00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:09,400 statistics to to present how much 1006 00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:11,079 information is accurate versus how much 1007 00:38:15,089 --> 00:38:13,660 is not and i'm just going to present 1008 00:38:17,099 --> 00:38:15,099 some ideas about how you can counteract 1009 00:38:21,029 --> 00:38:17,109 that information when you find it on the 1010 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:21,039 internet the ways that you can shift the 1011 00:38:24,359 --> 00:38:22,569 balance between the bad stuff and the 1012 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:24,369 good stuff basically yeah i think i was 1013 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:25,569 saying that it's going to be something 1014 00:38:29,279 --> 00:38:27,670 like 500 people here i mean we've just 1015 00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,289 looked in the auditorium it's pretty big 1016 00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:31,359 it is pretty big actually it's a really 1017 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:32,859 impressive venue where the carriage 1018 00:38:37,799 --> 00:38:35,529 works in sydney i think this is where 1019 00:38:41,969 --> 00:38:37,809 they film so you think you can dance so 1020 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:41,979 it says old big holes that I guess used 1021 00:38:46,229 --> 00:38:44,410 to have trams in them and raise its 1022 00:38:47,189 --> 00:38:46,239 really working station I think yeah so 1023 00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:47,199 they were either building them or 1024 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:48,699 repairing them so it's got price 1025 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:50,739 ceilings and it's all very industrial 1026 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:52,089 and they've left a lot of like the heavy 1027 00:38:58,279 --> 00:38:53,799 lifting equipment here and stuff in the 1028 00:39:01,289 --> 00:38:58,289 roof it's really beautiful place so yeah 1029 00:39:03,449 --> 00:39:01,299 you were invited because of many things 1030 00:39:04,949 --> 00:39:03,459 I imagine but I guess because you're 1031 00:39:06,839 --> 00:39:04,959 winning the shorty award last year for 1032 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:06,849 help well no because I'm awesome of 1033 00:39:12,359 --> 00:39:10,660 course oh sorry no no they found out 1034 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:12,369 about me because of the shorty award and 1035 00:39:16,289 --> 00:39:14,170 asked me to speak so I have to admit I 1036 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:16,299 was a little bit confused too easily as 1037 00:39:20,729 --> 00:39:18,729 to why I'm here because in fact most of 1038 00:39:23,549 --> 00:39:20,739 the people that are here today are from 1039 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:23,559 a media background advertising marketing 1040 00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,319 branding that sort of area in fact which 1041 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:29,140 is a bit strange because I used to work 1042 00:39:32,929 --> 00:39:30,729 in advertising and marketing over a 1043 00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:32,939 decade ago so to come here today it's 1044 00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:35,079 really weird because there's a lot of 1045 00:39:38,789 --> 00:39:37,390 people here that were my colleagues back 1046 00:39:41,029 --> 00:39:38,799 in the day and probably would still be 1047 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:41,039 if I was still working in that area so 1048 00:39:46,499 --> 00:39:43,569 even tonight tomorrow night there's an 1049 00:39:48,059 --> 00:39:46,509 award ceremony for the awards which is 1050 00:39:51,509 --> 00:39:48,069 the Australian Writers in art directors 1051 00:39:54,179 --> 00:39:51,519 club and I did that course and I used to 1052 00:39:56,249 --> 00:39:54,189 work for that company so it's all very 1053 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:56,259 very strange that it's come back to this 1054 00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:56,690 now 1055 00:40:01,000 --> 00:39:58,579 listeners maybe you can be confused 1056 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:01,010 about the sound effects we're in a huge 1057 00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:04,609 room here which is a cafe and that 1058 00:40:08,109 --> 00:40:05,990 thumping and pounding you can hear 1059 00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:08,119 people preparing coffee and all sorts of 1060 00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:09,740 things and we're waiting for our poached 1061 00:40:12,849 --> 00:40:11,000 eggs and you're waiting for your 1062 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:12,859 Vegemite I am and actually I think I'm 1063 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:14,270 going to have to go and do a check on my 1064 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:16,430 talk before my Vegemite comes which it 1065 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:34,500 thank you very much Carly and welcome 1066 00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:36,810 everyone to the battle be thinking for 1067 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:40,120 2011 or dr. Thord Julianne Moore alive 1068 00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,190 from Planet Earth it's going to be a the 1069 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:47,230 name is available oh and your es numbers 1070 00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:48,850 are just about right side international 1071 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:50,860 Jackie it's part of the festival of 1072 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:52,270 commercial creativity which is you know 1073 00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:54,490 he's part of the Institute's attempt to 1074 00:40:59,220 --> 00:40:56,980 set the Estonian record or iPad 1075 00:41:00,900 --> 00:40:59,230 concentration in a single space I do 1076 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:00,910 we're doing pretty well I've gone on to 1077 00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:04,030 that we move on now to dr. Rachel 1078 00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:06,070 develop she's the vice president of the 1079 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:08,620 Australian skeptics PhD from Sydney 1080 00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:10,150 University Medical School works 1081 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:13,030 full-time in heart disease of research 1082 00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:14,350 and is a member of the New South Wales 1083 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:16,180 committee of skeptics doing fun stuff 1084 00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:18,130 like mystery investigators which is a 1085 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:21,340 show for schools she co-organizers the 1086 00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:23,260 Sydney skeptics meetup group which is 1087 00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:25,990 actually it's basically a rationalist 1088 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:29,140 sex thing in fact but learned about in 1089 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,810 the marketing and actually contributes 1090 00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:34,480 to the skeptics book of poo-poo long 1091 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:37,360 she'll be speaking today on why do we 1092 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:39,790 ask the Internet permitting a bus we 1093 00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:50,940 thanks Julian and so I working full-time 1094 00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,470 in heart disease research but in my 1095 00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:55,599 spare time I have an interest in 1096 00:41:59,250 --> 00:41:58,089 alternative medicine and some of those 1097 00:42:01,410 --> 00:41:59,260 things are sort of the garden-variety 1098 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:01,420 things that probably many of us via have 1099 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:04,180 tried like supplements and vitamins some 1100 00:42:08,819 --> 00:42:05,890 of the more unusual ones like for 1101 00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:08,829 example psychic surgery or ear candles 1102 00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:11,049 and it happens if you don't know what 1103 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:13,630 they are they are like they sound you 1104 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:16,450 put a candle in your ear and burn it and 1105 00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:18,490 it's supposed to clear out our bad 1106 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,220 energies and killing Europe in balance 1107 00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:23,920 and headaches and all kinds of things so 1108 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:25,660 as a result of this I spend a lot of 1109 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:27,910 time on the internet doing research and 1110 00:42:32,579 --> 00:42:30,430 it turns out I'm not the only one in 1111 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:32,589 fact recent studies from the ABS showing 1112 00:42:37,529 --> 00:42:34,510 your own statistics and showing that now 1113 00:42:40,109 --> 00:42:37,539 wanting two of us actually turn to the 1114 00:42:44,269 --> 00:42:40,119 Internet to look up our illnesses and 1115 00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:44,279 self diagnose and two in three of us our 1116 00:42:51,809 --> 00:42:47,640 research our own drivers on the internet 1117 00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:51,819 now this is a recent study which winds 1118 00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:54,630 down by a health fund looking at 1119 00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:56,980 diagnosis by dr. google as i like to 1120 00:43:02,490 --> 00:42:59,890 call it so what they did was they put in 1121 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,500 some very simple kind of filter and did 1122 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:04,240 some google searches and came up with 1123 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:07,569 some diagnosis and as you can see i'm 1124 00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,420 diagnosis by dr. google can it create 1125 00:43:14,579 --> 00:43:13,119 some pretty scary scenarios so if you 1126 00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:14,589 have pins and needles and you put this 1127 00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:16,150 into dr. google where you might just 1128 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:18,520 have the vitamin b12 deficiency that's 1129 00:43:23,579 --> 00:43:20,650 pretty easy to fix or you might have 1130 00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:23,589 multiple sclerosis you might if you have 1131 00:43:27,299 --> 00:43:25,000 stomach next week would just have 1132 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,309 indigestion or appendicitis but you also 1133 00:43:31,769 --> 00:43:30,400 might have heart disease area or you 1134 00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:31,779 might have an ear infection you might 1135 00:43:36,569 --> 00:43:33,460 have cold behavior I have a brain 1136 00:43:38,279 --> 00:43:36,579 answers to according to dr. Google and a 1137 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:38,289 rash where you could have dermatitis 1138 00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:40,370 psoriasis or perhaps you've got early 1139 00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,000 meningitis so what was also interesting 1140 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:46,980 about this study that was done it showed 1141 00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,770 that most of us in fact ninety-one 1142 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:52,260 percent of us for the month ending 1143 00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,010 februari 13 2011 used google com delay 1144 00:44:02,330 --> 00:43:58,260 you or google com Brown our search 1145 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:02,340 engine and of that of that ninety-seven 1146 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:05,130 percent of us only take our click on 1147 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,370 links on the first page of people in 1148 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:13,680 clothing um this is the kind of stuff 1149 00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,300 that I spend my time doing I wouldn't 1150 00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,220 suggest that you use dr. Google to find 1151 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:22,380 medical advice are just talk to your 1152 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:24,570 doctor unless you want to end up as a 1153 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:26,610 hypochondriac rocking back and forth in 1154 00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:28,050 a corner thinking you've got every 1155 00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,320 disease known to man google bombing can 1156 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:33,960 be effective but of course so it can be 1157 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:35,970 easier opposition so you can use it that 1158 00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:38,850 other people can use it as well and the 1159 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,920 striated beach is a very good example of 1160 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:44,160 how once the cat gets out of the bag if 1161 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:45,690 you try to shove the cap back in it'll 1162 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:47,970 scratch even harder and keep you so 1163 00:45:01,830 --> 00:44:59,650 and it's all over now here at the the 1164 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,840 circus the festival of commercial 1165 00:45:06,070 --> 00:45:03,920 creativity but one of the speaker's 1166 00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,080 apart from dr. AG of course one of the 1167 00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,760 speaker's certainly caught my attention 1168 00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:09,950 and that's a man named Robert Campbell 1169 00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,380 who spoke about specialization leads to 1170 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:16,700 limitation and I'm delighted to say that 1171 00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,510 the robbers with me right now it's very 1172 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:22,880 interesting concept you're sort of 1173 00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:25,609 looking out for the the Renaissance man 1174 00:45:31,810 --> 00:45:28,760 the broadening of the outlook so to 1175 00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:31,820 speak people who've lived a life rather 1176 00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:34,550 than a lifestyle I think is what I'm 1177 00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:39,950 saying and my industry requires people 1178 00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:43,230 who have wrecked as well as death 1179 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,680 but like most industries there's been in 1180 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:48,300 the last few years too much focus in my 1181 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:51,810 mind on death not breath and I'm a big 1182 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,690 believe that those generalists which is 1183 00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:56,760 a horrible tie prefer like Magpies or 1184 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:00,060 something but generalists because of 1185 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:02,730 their they're not encumbered by a 1186 00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,770 particular way of thinking or process 1187 00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:06,540 and their experiences a broader have a 1188 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:10,560 more liberating way of tackling issues 1189 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:13,410 and then especially so now as I said we 1190 00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:15,150 definitely need specialists you know I 1191 00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,590 don't want to be operated by a 1192 00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,200 generalist but specialist them perfect 1193 00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:21,359 that world you say you the point you're 1194 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:24,270 making is we need them both yeah but if 1195 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:25,890 you go in for surgery you don't want a 1196 00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:28,770 GP to look after you need a specialist I 1197 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,300 want someone who knows what the scalpel 1198 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:32,880 is yeah definitely and I really like the 1199 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:36,780 fact that during your talk you related 1200 00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:39,330 the story of Benjamin Franklin now we in 1201 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:40,980 The Skeptical movement certainly look up 1202 00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:42,810 to Benjamin Franklin as a great role 1203 00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,030 model the course of his diversity of 1204 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:47,700 what he did and I didn't fully 1205 00:46:53,499 --> 00:46:50,130 appreciate until I saw your slide of all 1206 00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:53,509 the things he want to be honest 1207 00:46:59,679 --> 00:46:56,209 in typical fashion and being English I 1208 00:47:01,329 --> 00:46:59,689 any new a very superficial element of 1209 00:47:04,179 --> 00:47:01,339 Benjamin Franklin when I looked at more 1210 00:47:06,279 --> 00:47:04,189 deeply I could have filled pages of what 1211 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:06,289 he had actually achieved and done and 1212 00:47:12,279 --> 00:47:10,729 continue to do until his death and but 1213 00:47:14,379 --> 00:47:12,289 without doubt he felt that that 1214 00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,389 contributed to his abilities diversity 1215 00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:17,119 contributes to his ability to either 1216 00:47:22,659 --> 00:47:20,389 have a greater understanding for more 1217 00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,669 efficient and valuable ways to a tackle 1218 00:47:26,799 --> 00:47:24,319 issues I think I can relate to that 1219 00:47:29,949 --> 00:47:26,809 personally because I find them as I go 1220 00:47:32,739 --> 00:47:29,959 through life so many interests come by 1221 00:47:34,929 --> 00:47:32,749 and I don't want to ignore them or pay 1222 00:47:38,529 --> 00:47:34,939 them short shrift or anything like that 1223 00:47:40,509 --> 00:47:38,539 I tried to involve myself as many very 1224 00:47:42,699 --> 00:47:40,519 indifferent different things as I 1225 00:47:44,799 --> 00:47:42,709 possibly can but maybe we're not all 1226 00:47:46,749 --> 00:47:44,809 like that maybe there are people yeah I 1227 00:47:49,329 --> 00:47:46,759 think the issue is i think everyone 1228 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:49,339 likes the idea of being like that but 1229 00:47:53,009 --> 00:47:50,630 that doesn't mean everyone is like that 1230 00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:53,019 and there's that fine line between 1231 00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,689 people who aspire to be multiple 1232 00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,880 multiple dimension multiple dimensions 1233 00:48:03,219 --> 00:48:00,559 of what my chocolate having lots of 1234 00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:03,229 aspects there like and those who simply 1235 00:48:06,699 --> 00:48:04,369 aren't and there's nothing wrong with 1236 00:48:09,059 --> 00:48:06,709 either but it's also I believe that you 1237 00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:09,069 need to have someone that can actually 1238 00:48:13,749 --> 00:48:11,630 embrace the people who literally have 1239 00:48:15,129 --> 00:48:13,759 the skills and when I say have multiple 1240 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:15,139 dimensions that doesn't mean they're 1241 00:48:17,889 --> 00:48:16,249 brilliant at lots of things like 1242 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:17,899 Benjamin Franklin once he was in it he 1243 00:48:21,909 --> 00:48:19,369 was a freak actually in that respect 1244 00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:21,919 Leonardo yeah but it's people who have 1245 00:48:25,209 --> 00:48:23,689 the appreciation to understand the 1246 00:48:27,909 --> 00:48:25,219 thinking process and the value of those 1247 00:48:29,229 --> 00:48:27,919 things so that when situations come they 1248 00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:29,239 might not do it themselves but they can 1249 00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,369 put the pieces together hence I said 1250 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:33,780 they're also conductors 1251 00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:35,570 and what did you mean by that exactly 1252 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:38,580 done appeal here they can see what needs 1253 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:39,660 to be done and can pull that together 1254 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:42,030 because i think the word collaboration 1255 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:45,690 is a joke in many industries because I I 1256 00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,310 personally believe collaboration and can 1257 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:48,960 occur when people actually have an 1258 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:50,610 appreciation of the other person's views 1259 00:48:57,110 --> 00:48:53,010 and approaches without that it's not 1260 00:48:59,720 --> 00:48:57,120 collaboration it's passive communication 1261 00:49:01,640 --> 00:48:59,730 right it's being in the same room with 1262 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:01,650 somebody and listening to what they have 1263 00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:04,890 to say I really i thought your talk was 1264 00:49:09,350 --> 00:49:07,740 a standout congratulations now people 1265 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,360 want to find out more about your company 1266 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:11,880 for example where can they go well one 1267 00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:13,650 in candy have got a number of websites 1268 00:49:21,590 --> 00:49:17,280 for example my Shanghai office is WK SH 1269 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:21,600 com if you go WK calm you'll see the 1270 00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,180 whole groups officers when we have eight 1271 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:26,940 offices or your Shanghai that's that 1272 00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:30,570 sounds exotic yeah it's the madness is 1273 00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:32,670 that I don't understand any of it which 1274 00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:34,920 is the most exciting part of it I have 1275 00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:37,350 two things that we are common sense to 1276 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:39,360 the local culture may know come have no 1277 00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,010 common sense to me and I have to 1278 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:43,560 understand why and that that challenge 1279 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:48,120 is what excites me personally first 1280 00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:50,130 thing is speaking of someone who has 1281 00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:51,780 lived in a foreign culture albeit a 1282 00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,820 similar one I'd lived in Germany for a 1283 00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:56,480 while to immerse yourself in a different 1284 00:50:00,860 --> 00:49:58,710 culture and language without having a 1285 00:50:02,570 --> 00:50:00,870 clue how it works initially it's quite 1286 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:02,580 exhilarating in a way yeah i mean i've 1287 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:04,290 i've done it for the last few years 1288 00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:05,850 dragging my wife here there and 1289 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:09,660 everywhere and i absolutely i get off on 1290 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:11,580 that and i get off and trying to set up 1291 00:50:19,070 --> 00:50:15,480 weird experiments really to try and get 1292 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,080 a better understanding i love it love it 1293 00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:20,640 it's great honor to be able to do that 1294 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:22,230 well rather delight to meet you and 1295 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,090 congratulations again on a very 1296 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:25,440 interesting talk thank you very much 1297 00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:36,960 indeed cool what is that oh it's the 1298 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:39,480 schedule of speakers for nexus me exes 1299 00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,490 yeah it's the Northeast Conference for 1300 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:43,560 science and skepticism oh are you going 1301 00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,740 yeah nice tell me what does nexus what's 1302 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:48,000 nexus of well it's an educational 1303 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:50,010 conference held annually in New York 1304 00:50:54,860 --> 00:50:52,530 City Nexus explores the intersection of 1305 00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,870 science skepticism the media and society 1306 00:50:59,090 --> 00:50:56,700 for the purpose of promoting a more 1307 00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:59,100 rational world how does that spell Nexus 1308 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:01,530 what how does that spell Nexus is any 1309 00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,770 CSS should be neat Assessor what to be 1310 00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:07,200 pronouncing yet Assessor oh my english 1311 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,440 so good but any CSS not spell Nexus well 1312 00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:13,920 okay yeah but yet just sooo yeah just SF 1313 00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,600 what's wrong with Nietzsche saucer yeah 1314 00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:17,640 justice' I have brother-in-law his name 1315 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,560 in yet your sister you do know but I 1316 00:51:24,620 --> 00:51:21,780 could yeah just say it rolls of the 1317 00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:24,630 tongue your tongue maybe what nothing so 1318 00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:26,700 who is speaker going to be at me HSS a 1319 00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,740 nexus whatever telling you well 1320 00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:31,020 scheduled to appear are Brooke Ali 1321 00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:33,660 novella Evan burns to Steve novella how 1322 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:35,790 Biddle John Allen Powell dinner gala 1323 00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:38,130 muscle pollution garden John Rennie 1324 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,320 hummus golova Todd Robbins Jennifer 1325 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:42,720 Michael Hecht Eugenia see Scott or Tron 1326 00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,970 rebecca watson Daniel Khanna Carl Zimmer 1327 00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,640 Bob novella and keynote speaker Phil 1328 00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:50,160 Plait blowies death from the spaceman 1329 00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,260 but from the skies right listen how you 1330 00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:54,480 do that do what make it a voice all 1331 00:52:01,100 --> 00:51:56,700 bouncy bouncy like that well I am a 1332 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:01,110 podcaster who is very nice tell me what 1333 00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,530 is podcasting Nexus 1334 00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:07,599 the Northeast Conference for science and 1335 00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:10,420 skepticism april 9th and 10th in New 1336 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:14,230 York City go to nexus condo RG or check 1337 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:33,340 Richard zone 1 2 3 was a force to be 1338 00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:34,910 reckoned you know I feel a lot better 1339 00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:36,470 now after hearing dr. Steve Roberts 1340 00:52:41,830 --> 00:52:39,620 assure us all that we're safe we're not 1341 00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:41,840 going to die we're not doing today as 1342 00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,550 far as we know well not from that one 1343 00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:45,680 maybe we will be there there's one 1344 00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,300 coming from the Sun right now it's the 1345 00:52:51,610 --> 00:52:49,760 other side of Jupiter oh-oh-oh-oh both 1346 00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,620 oh that's all right it's been sucked 1347 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:53,750 into Jupiter that's fine thank Jupiter 1348 00:52:57,610 --> 00:52:55,610 yeah they used to say in ancient Rome 1349 00:52:59,290 --> 00:52:57,620 they should have lady well what I did 1350 00:53:01,420 --> 00:52:59,300 they lose i thank God they would have 1351 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:01,430 said thank you to piter's and you know I 1352 00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:02,930 saw this little DVD about the planets 1353 00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:05,630 lady and and it actually says Jupiter is 1354 00:53:09,610 --> 00:53:07,790 is like the vacuum cleaner cleaner yeah 1355 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:09,620 so we should thank you better thank you 1356 00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:12,290 but uh oh yes Jupiter holy Jupiter thank 1357 00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:15,230 you well Richard another great show and 1358 00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:17,000 thanks for having me on again what 1359 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:18,320 dating Evan good to see you what's 1360 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:20,210 happening next week or next week we have 1361 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:22,910 an interview of the lovely lady and you 1362 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:24,170 would have heard that funny little clip 1363 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:25,970 we played earlier in the show little bit 1364 00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:29,690 from Norway Oh region oh yes but not for 1365 00:53:34,570 --> 00:53:31,880 that I've had to a Norwegian accent guy 1366 00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,580 no I'm gonna try don't even try Kristen 1367 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:37,280 Carson from an Oslo who's going to be 1368 00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:39,050 chatting to us next week all about her 1369 00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:42,350 adventures up their skepticism in Norway 1370 00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:44,630 no I in all ways we got a big reach 1371 00:53:50,830 --> 00:53:49,040 Avonlea we do even on Jupiter I'm sure 1372 00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:50,840 they're listening to us on Jupiter Hydra 1373 00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:52,340 but I've made your bread and also a 1374 00:53:56,830 --> 00:53:55,190 quick note to congratulate our very own 1375 00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:56,840 dr. Rachel Dunlop who's now a 1376 00:54:03,670 --> 00:53:59,920 contributor to science-based medicine 1377 00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:03,680 org which is an tastic and very well 1378 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:05,510 rafic that's a huge blog it's my 1379 00:54:10,510 --> 00:54:07,730 business there's a lot of stuff on there 1380 00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:10,520 and she's contributed there's an entry 1381 00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:13,550 there for the 19th of every vaccination 1382 00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,340 as rape merrill dory and the australian 1383 00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:18,800 vaccination network they're never far 1384 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:21,470 from our thoughts are somehow I can't 1385 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:22,970 see how I get a little drop on the 1386 00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,010 tongue to prevent polio it has got 1387 00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:27,680 anything to do with them yeah sexual 1388 00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:31,550 violation pizza that's crazy anyway well 1389 00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:33,260 look it's going to be a big one next 1390 00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:34,670 week there always is the noise for 1391 00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:37,100 having me and there's very exciting 1392 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:38,270 we're going to give our listeners a 1393 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:40,130 little hint we're working on a secret 1394 00:54:43,789 --> 00:54:40,650 pro 1395 00:54:46,299 --> 00:54:43,799 oh yes I know a little bit about this 1396 00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:46,309 secret project and I can't wait to start 1397 00:54:49,789 --> 00:54:48,390 ripping it in and getting it out there 1398 00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:49,799 you and I going to give together and 1399 00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:51,390 we're going to come out of something 1400 00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:53,400 quite officially fun what about so keep 1401 00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,839 listening and thank you for listening 1402 00:55:03,980 --> 00:54:57,240 and more him soon oh yeah and we'll see 1403 00:55:07,339 --> 00:55:03,990 you see you next week bye now but you've 1404 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:07,349 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1405 00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:11,970 our website at www skeptics on TV for